Archive for August, 2008
Next Meet Up and Other Stuff
via Michael TurtonThe next meet up is Saturday, and Jerome has the full information:
Speaker: John Tkacik A Senior Research Fellow in Asian Studies at the Heritage Foundation in Wash. DC; John is a retired diplomat and well-versed in US policy to China, Taiwan, and Mongolia.
Venue: Same place we have used in past couple of months. The meeting location is the restaurant 婷婷翠玉 at 174 AnHe Road, Section Two. (rough translation of name is Tender, Pretty Green Jade.) You will be able to tell the restaurant by the lace curtains on the window--it was used in a TV commercial a while back. (We will have the downstairs room--breakfast cost will range between NT$100 and NT$150. Phone if lost 2736-8510.
Restaurant is between Far Eastern Plaza Mall/Hotel and HePing East Road--about a half a block north of the corner of HePing East Road Sec. 3 and AnHe Road. or a half a block south of Far Eastern Plaza on the AnHe Road side.
Take the MRT Mucha Line to the Liuchangli Station exit there, and walk west on HePing East Road 3/4 of a block till you reach where AnHe Road dead-ends into it.Then go north on AnHe Road; it is a half a block up on the west side of that street.
Or take any bus down HePing East Road and get off at the first stop that is east of Tun Hua South Road. That will put you at the corner of HePing and AnHe.
You can also take a bus down Tun Hua South Road to the stop right across from Far Eastern Plaza and walk over to AnHe Road.
Or if you take the 235 bus east, it turns off of HePing onto AnHe Road and the first stop is right across from the restaurant.
TIME: 9:30 am
Jerome says he'd like an RSVP (jeromekphd@gmail.com)
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Like father, like daughter
via Sponge BearOnline Videos by Veoh.com
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She was also bopping along to "Truckin'" by the Grateful Dead, and on a previous occasion really got into "Rock Hard" by Suzi Quatro. So is she going to grow up to be some kind of hippie glam rocker punkette? Should I be worried?
How many were at the rally?
via Michael Turton
I've decided to discuss the numbers again because the topic is so interesting and to help think about how many really were there.First, a Taipei Times report from two years ago discusses a simple methodology for calculating crowd size.
Lin Ming-hua (林明華), director of the city police's Public Relations Department, said that they stopped giving out estimates of crowd sizes or marches two years ago when a march organized by the Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) and the People First Party was staged in front of the Presidential Office.Two key points from this. First, the police say it is 40K to a kilometer on a street. I'm not sure about the size of the street, but that's comparable to my count from the other day, so I am greatly cheered.
The demonstration was orchestrated to demand the "truth" about the election-eve assassination attempt, which many pan-blue supporters believe was staged by Chen despite any solid evidence to back up their theories.
Lin said that the city police originally refused to publicize the number of participants in Satur-day's rally on Ketagalan Boulevard, but they were told by the police chief at around 10:45pm to make it public.
Lin said that the official numbers were reliable because they were calculated using a formula.
Taking Friday's "siege" march as an example, Lin said that police estimated 40,000 people could fill 1km of the road that protesters walked down. As the march stretched more than 5.5km, the police estimated that about 220,000 people were on the street. On top of that number, city authorities figured that about 140,000 more were scattered along Ketagalan Boulevard and elsewhere, making the total number 360,000.
Second, this article notes that the police stopped giving crowd estimates four years ago. So how did AP obtain a "police said" estimate of 40,000? It is possible that someone gave out information they were not supposed to, or that policy was contravened in this instance, both of which have happened before. But that estimate is so laughably low it stinks of a deliberate plant. It should be noted that the Taipei Times reported that the police would not give out an estimate. Even the KMT-supporting China Post had 50,000 people, a number not referenced and suspiciously, exactly half the DPP prediction -- almost a concession that in fact more than 100,000 turned out.
So AP, you got some 'splaining to do.
The pro-KMT side might deflate the numbers, but the pan-Greens are no better. The Liberty Times today dramatically reported that 300,000 people showed up. Check out the photo there. It is highly suspicious -- showing only the crowds from the south gate to the stage -- but on the ground, my photos show that the area to the south and east of the gate was precisely where the crowd thinned out -- and is the area not shown in the photos. Very suspicious. Note that it is still light when this photo is taken.
What would three hundred thousand or more look like? Here's a Taipei Times photo from the truly stupendous anti-secession law rally. See how jam-packed the area is? Google image search will give you more but they will all show that it was an unbelievable sea of humanity that day.Now compare the dense ranks in the photo above to this CNA photo printed in today's Taipei Times:
If you look carefully, the density starts to peter out once you get past the south gate. It's far denser on the other side. It is easy to see that 300K is an inflated overestimate.I'm not going to beat this dead horse any longer, but it should also be noted that the CNA photos don't have times attached. The marchers seemed to have already arrived in both the Liberty Times and the Taipei Times pics, and thus spread out near the old gate. In my photos the bulk of the marchers are still arriving, in my opinion. I should also like to add that there is no need to embellish the numbers. Leave that to the other side.
On to the videos. I shot two that were worth anything (yes, video is an art and I suck at it; be patient, it is going to be a long time).
This video I shot after we had started to line up to march but before we started moving. You can see that it was noisy and energetic, that there were thousands of people here, covering the sidewalks, the metro station plaza, etc.
This second video I shot right after we had arrived at the stage. You can see where we are. At this point the area between the stage and the old gate is absolutely packed but starts to thin out as the crowd reaches the old gate. You can get some glimpses of the massive crowd behind me. Plenty of good energy here.
Why is it so hard to get good estimates? Take this photo to the left. How wide is the crowd? How many to a rank? What constitutes a rank? Ok, let's say we're 40K to the kilometer in the street.....
...then what about these marchers -- four and five across on the sidewalks? If you only count the street, as you would certainly do in an photo from the sky, you'd have a 20% undercount, at least. I tried to include them, and that's how I came up with 50K with me. Depending on how you count, a rank had anywhere between 16 and 25 people, so conservatively 7 ranks was 100 souls, but in reality it was sometimes a lot less and sometimes a lot more. And then....
...what about these blackshirted fellows and the hundreds of others participating by yelling and waving flags from the sidelines, but not marching? Do we count them?
Here was another problem we encountered, though I don't really have a good picture of it. I started near the front of the march, but by the time we were halfway through, the march had elongated considerably and I was someone in the middle. People started to join from the front. You can see that it extends for a considerable distance in front of me.
As we walked down this large street, we look a little thinner in this photo, but actually, there are even more of us. Why?
As this important historical photo shows, large numbers of marchers "taking to the streets" are actually taking to the expansive sidewalks.
Another issue is resting marchers. You can see that in the park beyond many marchers are taking a break, as they did all along the way. Again, any count of "marchers" underestimates the crowd.
When you look at the photos by the old gate, you see the fantastic crowds, but you don't see these guys -- the ones sitting on the walls, standing on the sidewalks, and sitting in the park under the trees.Finally, what is the correct time to sample the size? I can tell you how many I think marched with me (50K give or take) and you can look at the photos to see how many were there when I arrived. Is that the right time? Do we count only those who stayed the whole time to hear the speakers?
You tell me. But not all the crowd estimates are off by large percentages because the police are nefarious and controlled by the Dark Side. It's because counting the crowd is no simple task.
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sansia old street
via AndresPictures from the “Separatist” march yesterday
via RobertLately, to be honest, I haven’t been paying a whole lot of attention to Taiwanese politics. There’s just too much going on in the American political circus right now for me to tear myself away.
Yesterday, though, after work, Fanfan and I had a couple of hours to burn before a shindig at some friends’ house, so we stopped in Ximen (西門) to see if there were any movies out that were worth our valuable time.
Much to my surprise, upon emerging from the glossy, plastic mouth of the MRT, I realized that the Anti-Ma, “seperatist” protests were taking place right across the street. So, I hopped across the street and started snapping pictures and vids of the surprisingly large number of people taking part -- estimates I saw in the Liberty Times (自由時報) downstairs put the number at 300,000.
Of course, as many of you know, I’m quite interested in generational differences here in Taiwan (and elsewhere), so it was only fitting, I thought, to be standing at a crosswalk in Ximen, watching thousands of middle-aged Taiwanese men and women marching by, while hundreds of young Taiwanese kids breaking through the procession during every green light on their way to Ximen to shop, take pictures of themselves, and all the other things that people do at Ximen.
去台灣 親中國 馬上倒 means more or less, “Leave Taiwan, kiss China, and immediately turn everything upside down.” 馬上 (literally “on the horse'”) means “immediately” or “right away.” It’s a pun that’s become quite popular since 馬 [ma3] is President Ma’s family name.
The Chinese at the bottom of this “Ma You Suck” fan says “ROC, get out of Taiwan.”
美國人的爸爸就會親中賣台 “The American’s father is just going to kiss China and sell Taiwan.” I don’t particularly understand this one. Ma’s father was from Hong Kong, right?
馬賣台得金牌 “Ma sale of Taiwan merits a gold medal” (Or something like that)
Fanfan actually left and went to wander around Ximen for a little while because, she said she didn’t like the tone of a lot of the people’s chants and signs. This is probably a good example of one of them (on the left). It says: "Fuck the nine schools of thought government”
This is another example of those signs that Fanfan didn’t appreciate.
Suddenly David Reid and Darren Melrose, two other Taiwan bloggers, popped up next to me.
There were plenty of manifestations of economic woes on display.
I’ve no idea what that sign says.
I’ve seen these trucks before. A while back, I was walking out of Taipei Main Station, and these guys made a ruckus as they moved past.
I’ll be adding videos later.
The Far-Eastern Sweet Potato 2008-08-31 06:32:00
via MikeinTaipei
For many who, for one reason or another, choose to make it their home, Taiwan is part opportunity and part love affair. From its weather, natural beauty, history, culture, food and wonderful people to the cross-strait reflection of what it chose not to be, Taiwan is a muse that over the years has transformed many a transitory visitor into a permanent friend fully committed to protecting it from the many ills — environmental, political — that threaten its existence. While the principal threat to Taiwan today is China’s designs upon it and Beijing’s political isolation of Taiwan on the international scene, not so long ago enemy No. 1 was at home, under the form of the Chiang Kai-shek (蔣介石) and Chiang Ching-kuo (蔣經國) regimes, both supported financially, politically and militarily by the US in their repression of Taiwanese as part of Washington’s crusade against communism.Then as now, many expatriates who came to Taiwan chose not to remain silent and did what they could to help give Taiwanese a voice. A Borrowed Voice: Taiwan human rights through international networks, 1960-1980, which I review in today’s issue of the Taipei Times, is their story. Readers can access the full article, titled "Those who helped break the oppressors' back," by clicking here (Features pages are now available in .pdf for original print format).


